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Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 6:18amSanction this postReply
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The "blogosphere," as it is known, is made up of a lot of very interesting people.  Especially in the Objectivist universe, one finds a wide diversity of blogs, written by individuals who exhibit very different opinions.

In light of this discussion and others like it recently posted on the blog of Diana Hsieh (and with obvious spillover effects here at SOLO HQ)---all regarding her break from The Objectivist Center---many Objectivists and Objectivist-sympathizers have been discussing the relative merits of ARI, TOC, SOLO, and other Objectivist forums.

When I was alerted to the existence of a thread on the blog of ARI-friendly "Noumenal Self," wherein Mr. Self instructs Diana to turn "a similar crtical [sic] eye to the works of a certain NYU-based dialectical scholar she continues to regard as a friend," I was somewhat disturbed by the various misrepresentations that evolved throughout the discussion.

Robert Campbell, who is my Associate Editor at The Journal of Ayn Rand Studies, decided to post the following comment in response to Mr. Self's claim that "Independent scholars *do* have access to the material in the Ayn Rand Archives. Just not ones that have publicly attacked ARI or Ayn Rand, or misrepresented AR or Objectivism. Part of the evidence for this is that Sciabarra was originally granted access to the archive, until his intentions became clear."

Campbell replied:  "Noumenal Self, I find one of your comments confusing.
Can you explain to me how an 'independent scholar' (as in, an independent scholar who is allowed access to the Ayn Rand archives) could be anything but an ARI-affiliated or an ARI-approved scholar?
Robert Campbell"
Posted by: Robert Campbell at April 16, 2004 11:03 AM
 
Mr. Self responded:  "I know for a fact that it is true, but I am not at legal liberty to give details. Sorry.  Posted by: Noumenon at April 16, 2004 11:09 AM"
 
I found the response insufficient.  So, I decided to make a contribution to Mr. Self's blog.  Here's what I wrote:
 
"For the record, NS: I was ~never~ granted access to the archives, and my only 'intentions' were to write on a subject that I agreed to research ~free-of-charge~. The Institute blocked my access to Rand's college transcript because they wanted to block my ability to ~write~ on the subject.
Also: I know of ~no~ instances where Rand extricated whole articles of Branden's from any of her books. In most instances, she also left references to his work, which encompassed issues such as volition, determinism, emotion, self-esteem, alienation, repression, and so forth. She was very clear that all of the articles he'd written prior to their break were part of the Objectivist corpus. One would not know that by the kind of air-brushing in which her Estate has engaged since her death."
Posted by: Chris Matthew Sciabarra at April 16, 2004 06:32 PM

Well, if one now returns to this discussion, one finds that all of the above comments are now GONE.  Mysteriously, they have disappeared.  Kind of like the air-brushing that I complained about.  This must be one of those conditions that spreads, insidiously, like a disease.

But Mr. Self has an explanation!  Yesterday, April 16th at 06:57 pm, he wrote: "I've exercised *my* right to excise references to characters I disapprove of on the blog that I own. They may assume I am doing this to cover up some unpleasant facts. They're free to think that. Actually I simply do not wish to give them a forum here."

Well, Mr. Self, you are within your rights.  Far be it from me to assault the principle of private property.  But, as a scholar, in my rights of fair use of quotations, I just wanted to quote the discussion that has now disappeared from your blog.  I wouldn't want the integrity of a historical document to be altered, after all.  That's precisely what I've complained about in the Estate's treatment of Rand's journals, Rand's college transcript, and the partisan and hagiographic character of the writings of several orthodox scholars (but by no means all, thank goodness).

To all of you people who periodically complain about SOLO HQ:  Stuff it.  This is one of the freest forums on the Internet.  Count your blessings.

(Edited by sciabarra on 4/17, 6:27am)


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Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 12:06pmSanction this postReply
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I'd like to bring to everyone's attention Diana Hsieh's post on this very subject.  It is an important discussion of "Friends and Philosophy."

To which I can simply say:  Thank you, friend.


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Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 3:08pmSanction this postReply
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ARIans up to their usual tricks, I see. The Soviet historians who used regularly to rewrite history to take into account who was most recently out of favour & therefore to be expunged from the texts would have nothing on the ARIans! Did I read that the names "Nathan" & "Barbara" were removed from tapes of discussions on literature in AR's apartment that the ARI released?

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Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 3:15pmSanction this postReply
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Linz asked:  Did I read that the names "Nathan" & "Barbara" were removed from tapes of discussions on literature in AR's apartment that the ARI released?

Yes, indeed. Alas, they could not remove the laughs and coughs of Nathan and Barbara... and those of us who know them, know that they are there, in the room, even if a "narrator" talks for them anytime they open their mouths.


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Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 3:24pmSanction this postReply
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Oh, an interesting postscript: After I posted this here, and Diana posted her message on "Friends and Philosophy," Mr. Self reinstated the comments of Robert Campbell, but refused to reinstate mine. He writes: "I did, however, remove the second comment because of disapproval for the person [Dr. Diabolical Dialectical] who made it. I simply do not want to give him a forum on my web site, even if part of what he said is true."

Ah, well, as Mr. Self said, I'm "otherwise willing to work with just about anybody!" That should explain why I even attempted to post to his blog. I assure him, it won't happen again.



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Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 9:29pmSanction this postReply
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BTW, the FreeRad homepage sports a feature called "Making George Reisman Disappear."

www.freeradical.co.nz

Linz

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Wednesday, May 4, 2005 - 9:03pmSanction this postReply
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THE BRAIN DEAD CRITICS OF AYN RAND/AYN RAND'S GREATEST LEGACY

The June issue of "Reason" (mag.) has four letters remarking on how it celebrated (it really didn't) Ayn Rand's 100th birthday. Two said thumbs down and two said thumbs up!

Negatively speaking (1): "Ayn Rand ... is famous like the Edsel or Charlie Manson are famous." And, "Rand always was irrelevant; her philosophy is alien to human nature .... And in fact people who adopt Objectivism tend to crash and burn ...."

--Paul Skurkiss

Negatively speaking (2): "[Note] the resemblance between Objectivism and Social Darwinism. Because there is no natural brake on the tendency of self-interest to degenerate into excessive narcissism, both doctrines, if followed to their logical extremes, would lead humanity into a Hobbesian war of all against all."

--Dennis Anthony

What these critics have in common is refusal to think. Do they say reason is bad, no, they say Objectivism is bad. Self-interest is bad because it degenerates into--non self-interest (of narcissism)? Ayn Rand irrelevant? This is simply a refusal to use Ayn Rand--her life, her philosophy--to better one's own life or make the philosophy better.

Ayn Rand is a work unfinished. It is up to each of us to find the value she created and apply to ourselves as applicable using reason. The mistakes she made are mistakes we don't have to. The philosophy unfinished we can help finish realizing it never will be.

--Brant


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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 1:08amSanction this postReply
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What is Objectivism?

Reason re reality. That's all it takes to be an Objectivist. You don't have to be right; you only have to be on the premise of being right. The details is in the details.

I apologize, but this is late at night and I like to have a drink or two late at nit--Brant


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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 1:18amSanction this postReply
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The difference between an ARIian and one of them critics of Ayn Rand I referred to earlier? No difference.  They think Objectivism is what Ayn Rand said it is ("If u reject one part u reject the whole shebang!") but it isn't! NO! No! No! U can reject Objectivism altogether if u don't reject reason n u are still an Objectivist!

Do u gewt it!!

Nothin' left to say, I guess!

I'd hate to think my best stuff is drunk stuff, but at least I got the BALLS to sasy it anyway!! Let GOD (or u) sort it out!

--Brant

PS: No, I ain't no goddamn alcholic! If I were I'd own up to it n I don't!!! I just have a couple latye at nit sometimes! If u can't smell myh breath don't complain!!


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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 1:58amSanction this postReply
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Let's make one more thing clear. No matter what you or I may say about Ayn Rand this or that, positive or negative, she was absolutely a gigantic hero. Not to understand this is not to understand her in the least.

--Brant


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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 2:11amSanction this postReply
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Brant,

Dayamm dude!

Thanks for bringing this thread up by posting on it. I was able to read many of the links in the posts. Very enlightening.

But you sound like you tied on a good one. Go sleep it off, dude. Those vicious motherfuckers will have you talking to yourself all night.

//;-)

Michael


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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 2:19amSanction this postReply
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It looks like we need to create SOLO INSOMNIA next.  Lindsay Perigo made note of the "Making George Reisman Disapear" thing in The Free Radical and I read that email from that anti-environmentalist to Reisman.  What an incredibly chilling email.... 

 - Jason


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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 4:15amSanction this postReply
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All.

Overgeneralization, perhaps?

Tom


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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 8:46amSanction this postReply
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Tom, go to the Free Radical site and read the section I am talking about.  That email left a strange feeling in my stomach.  The readers digest version is:

"Dear George,

I appreciate all of the help you've given me with my website but Mr. Binswanger tells me that I am not supposed to be talking to you or accepting any help from you.  I don't want to be blacklisted so I must morally condemn you like everyone else in the cult.  Don't try to argue with me, this is irreversable."

Strange strange strange.

 - Jason

(Edited by Jason Quintana on 5/05, 8:47am)


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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 7:23pmSanction this postReply
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Jason Quintana, did you mean insomnia or amnesia?

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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 8:25pmSanction this postReply
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Tom,

To be fair, "overgeneralization" perhaps. I do not personally know much about Paul Skurkiss or Dennis Anthony. I have been aware of Chris's difficulties for a while though.

I also empathise in the extreme with anyone who will get that drunk on a forum like this. It brought up some way-too-fond memories of when I used to drink.

(I had to stop because I did too many things like what Brant did.)

Michael


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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 8:33pmSanction this postReply
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Chris Sciabarra,

Why are you described as dialectical? Do you agree with it? I can't figure out what is meant by "dialectic" by the dictionary's short description.

Thank you very much,
Dean

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Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 10:56pmSanction this postReply
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Luther, I was refering to the fact that 3 people were posting on an old, dried up message board at 2:00 in the morning :)

 - Jason


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Friday, May 6, 2005 - 2:01amSanction this postReply
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Dean asked:

"Chris Sciabarra, why are you described as dialectical? Do you agree with it? I can't figure out what is meant by 'dialectic' by the dictionary's short description."

"Dr. Diabolical Dialectical" is my pet-name for him, based on his ambition to reclaim "dialectics" for Objectivism. I'm sure he'll post here with a zillion hyper-links to his articles on the matter.

He has no choice but to agree with my pet-name for him. As assistant-editor of The Free Radical he is my slave. Though boy, does he get uppity sometimes! Keeps muttering about Spartacus & revolting. Only the most brutal whippings keep him in line (I guess that's the idea).

Seriously, take to heart *his* title for this thread: "ARIans Strike Again: SOLOists Count Your Blessings."

Linz




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Friday, May 6, 2005 - 2:57amSanction this postReply
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Quoth Linz:

"Seriously, take to heart *his* title for this thread: 'ARIans Strike Again: SOLOists Count Your Blessings.'"

Hear, hear.

It may be overstating the case, but ARI's attempts to control the very meaning of Objectivism, and the specific controls they impose (on research, etc.) when they are capable of doing so, smack of fear that their specific interpretations of the ideas they advocate can't stand up under close scrutiny or survive open debate.

I have long since ceased regarding myself as an Objectivist, and will never again so regard myself (or call myself) until and unless I resolve certain questions. I do, however, have a great deal of respect for Ayn Rand, her ideas, Objectivism and Objectivists. I believe that Objectivism does bear up under scrutiny and that its foundational ideas (specifically its metaphysics and epistemology -- my problems are at the higher level with deriving specifics regarding ethics and politics) can survive open debate.

To my mind, ARI offers an appetizer of reason, then demands that one henceforth subsist on a buffet of faith -- faith that the "leaders," speaking on behalf of St. Ayn, have the answers and must not be disputed, debated or questioned. A sound idea needn't be accepted on such faith. Thanks for creating a forum where such acceptance is not a requirement.

Tom Knapp

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